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Just in case anyone was wondering where the Democrats stand
Wondering where the Democrats stand on Abortion?
They aren't standing at all. They're just running. I'm disgusted.
Oh, and by the way..the anti-choice march? That's taking place in San Francisco on January 22nd? That's starting in Justin Herman Plaza at 11 am? PPGG organizers estimate that between 7,000 to 10,000 anti-choice activist are expected. (Their parade permit allows for 10,000)
Where will you be?
Anxiety Over Abortion
Pro-choice Democrats eye a more restrictive approach to abortion as one way to gain ground at the polls
By Debra Rosenberg
Newsweek
Dec. 20 issue - The week after Thanksgiving, dozens of Democratic Party loyalists gathered at AFL-CIO headquarters for a closed-door confab on the election. John Kerry dropped by to thank members of the liberal 527 coalition America Votes. When Ellen Malcolm, president of the pro-choice political network EMILY's List, asked about the future direction of the party, Kerry tackled one of the Democrats' core tenets: abortion rights. He told the group they needed new ways to make people understand they didn't like abortion. Democrats also needed to welcome more pro-life candidates into the party, he said. "There was a gasp in the room," says Nancy Keenan, the new president of NARAL Pro-Choice America.
It might have sounded shocking, but John Kerry isn't alone in taking a new look at how the party is handling the explosive topic of abortion. As Democratic strategists and lawmakers quietly discuss how to straddle the nation's Red-Blue divide, abortion has become a prime target. "The issue and the message need to be completely rethought," says one strategist. Along with gay marriage, abortion is at the epicenter of the culture wars, another example used by Republicans to highlight the Democrats' supposed moral relativism. Polls show that most Americans support legal abortion, yet they also favor some restrictions, particularly after the first trimester. Strategists say that's where many Democrats are, too—the public just doesn't know it. With pro-life Sen. Harry Reid newly installed as Senate minority leader, Democrats are eager to show off their big tent.
No one's suggesting that the party abandon its pro-choice roots. With George W. Bush expected to nominate as many as three presumably pro-life Supreme Court justices this term, advocates worry that the right to an abortion is more imperiled than it's been in decades. But as a step toward ultimately preserving that basic right, some Democrats now favor embracing common-sense restrictions on it. One possible initiative: a bill banning third-trimester abortions with broad exceptions for the life and health of the mother.
Democratic lawmakers have found themselves boxed in by a pro-choice orthodoxy that fears the slippery slope—the idea that allowing even the smallest limitation on abortion only paves the way for outlawing it altogether. As a result, most Democrats opposed popular measures like "Laci and Conner's Law"—which makes it a separate federal crime to kill a fetus—and a ban on the gruesome procedure called partial-birth abortion.
A small group of pro-choice Democrats—mostly from Red States—bucked that trend, voting for one or both measures. Still, the issue is so thorny that nearly every lawmaker contacted by NEWSWEEK declined to discuss those votes or the topic in general. But a handful of those senators—including Louisiana Sen. Mary Landrieu, Arkansas Sens. Blanche Lincoln and Mark Pryor, and Indiana Sen. Evan Bayh—have joined a new progressive advocacy group, Third Way, that hopes to move the party to the center on a number of cultural issues, including abortion. The effort is headed by a team of strategists who helped the Dems find middle ground on gun safety.
It's clear that challenging the old orthodoxy won't be easy. Many advocates blame Kerry for not talking about abortion enough—especially the fate of the Supreme Court. "He did not help the cause," says Planned Parenthood president Gloria Feldt. Other pro-choicers worry that changing gears on abortion will look like flip-flopping. "If we try to be fake Republicans, that's not going to work," says Colorado Rep. Diana DeGette, co-chair of the House pro-choice caucus. "It would be a cynical political move." But some moderate pro-choicers already have voting records to back up their convictions. That's proof, strategists say, that they don't have to choose between values and votes.
© 2004 Newsweek, Inc.
Oh, and by the way..the anti-choice march? That's taking place in San Francisco on January 22nd? That's starting in Justin Herman Plaza at 11 am? PPGG organizers estimate that between 7,000 to 10,000 anti-choice activist are expected. (Their parade permit allows for 10,000)
Where will you be?
Anxiety Over Abortion
Pro-choice Democrats eye a more restrictive approach to abortion as one way to gain ground at the polls
By Debra Rosenberg
Newsweek
Dec. 20 issue - The week after Thanksgiving, dozens of Democratic Party loyalists gathered at AFL-CIO headquarters for a closed-door confab on the election. John Kerry dropped by to thank members of the liberal 527 coalition America Votes. When Ellen Malcolm, president of the pro-choice political network EMILY's List, asked about the future direction of the party, Kerry tackled one of the Democrats' core tenets: abortion rights. He told the group they needed new ways to make people understand they didn't like abortion. Democrats also needed to welcome more pro-life candidates into the party, he said. "There was a gasp in the room," says Nancy Keenan, the new president of NARAL Pro-Choice America.
It might have sounded shocking, but John Kerry isn't alone in taking a new look at how the party is handling the explosive topic of abortion. As Democratic strategists and lawmakers quietly discuss how to straddle the nation's Red-Blue divide, abortion has become a prime target. "The issue and the message need to be completely rethought," says one strategist. Along with gay marriage, abortion is at the epicenter of the culture wars, another example used by Republicans to highlight the Democrats' supposed moral relativism. Polls show that most Americans support legal abortion, yet they also favor some restrictions, particularly after the first trimester. Strategists say that's where many Democrats are, too—the public just doesn't know it. With pro-life Sen. Harry Reid newly installed as Senate minority leader, Democrats are eager to show off their big tent.
No one's suggesting that the party abandon its pro-choice roots. With George W. Bush expected to nominate as many as three presumably pro-life Supreme Court justices this term, advocates worry that the right to an abortion is more imperiled than it's been in decades. But as a step toward ultimately preserving that basic right, some Democrats now favor embracing common-sense restrictions on it. One possible initiative: a bill banning third-trimester abortions with broad exceptions for the life and health of the mother.
Democratic lawmakers have found themselves boxed in by a pro-choice orthodoxy that fears the slippery slope—the idea that allowing even the smallest limitation on abortion only paves the way for outlawing it altogether. As a result, most Democrats opposed popular measures like "Laci and Conner's Law"—which makes it a separate federal crime to kill a fetus—and a ban on the gruesome procedure called partial-birth abortion.
A small group of pro-choice Democrats—mostly from Red States—bucked that trend, voting for one or both measures. Still, the issue is so thorny that nearly every lawmaker contacted by NEWSWEEK declined to discuss those votes or the topic in general. But a handful of those senators—including Louisiana Sen. Mary Landrieu, Arkansas Sens. Blanche Lincoln and Mark Pryor, and Indiana Sen. Evan Bayh—have joined a new progressive advocacy group, Third Way, that hopes to move the party to the center on a number of cultural issues, including abortion. The effort is headed by a team of strategists who helped the Dems find middle ground on gun safety.
It's clear that challenging the old orthodoxy won't be easy. Many advocates blame Kerry for not talking about abortion enough—especially the fate of the Supreme Court. "He did not help the cause," says Planned Parenthood president Gloria Feldt. Other pro-choicers worry that changing gears on abortion will look like flip-flopping. "If we try to be fake Republicans, that's not going to work," says Colorado Rep. Diana DeGette, co-chair of the House pro-choice caucus. "It would be a cynical political move." But some moderate pro-choicers already have voting records to back up their convictions. That's proof, strategists say, that they don't have to choose between values and votes.
© 2004 Newsweek, Inc.
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Also need to endorse torture, privatize Social Security, ignore global warming, throw out the First Amendment, etc.
Crosby, Stills, Nash and Young
"Ohio" (1970)
We will not allow the Democrat-Republican Party to bring this Trojan Horse of anti-abortion for fascism into San Francisco. We will protest this outrage, celebrate Roe v. Wade and run the Democrat-Republicans out of San Francisco for good.
If you are still sitting in the Democratic Party and are for our right to abortion, leave now. It is rotten to the core. Join the socialist Peace & Freedom Party or the Green Party, both of which always support our right to abortion and do not support fascist marches anywhere.
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Psy-ops - which also can involve the deliberate use of false information - has been a tool of the military since Alexander the Great used oversized shields to make the enemy believe he had an army of giants.
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The irony is so thick you could build an Eiffel Tower with it.
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sometimes they're not actually out to get you, and you're just paranoid and wasting your own and everyon else's time
end of story
You know, nessie, if you go to SF-IMC (and I wish you would), you'd see that seven out of eight posts there are as substantiated as the one you're going squawky-squawky about here.
How's the motes and beams shop going, eh?
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Nevertheless, even if I ate babies, f*cked sheep and worshiped the devil, it would in no way disprove what I say. The fact remains, Gehrig and his fellow racists are a cancer within Indymedia. If it is not excised, it will metastasize, and eventually kill its host. Like any news organization, Indymedia lives or dies by its credibility. How credible is any organization that purports to support Global Justice, but harbors racists in its midst and publishes racist propaganda?
Nevertheless, even if gehrig were the devil incarnate nessie makes of him, it would in no way disprove what gehrig says. The fact remains, nessie and his fellow racists are a cancer within Indymedia. If it is not excised, it will metastasize, and eventually kill its host. Like any news organization, Indymedia lives or dies by its credibility. How credible is any organization that purports to support Global Justice, but harbors racists like nessie in its midst and publishes racist propaganda?
translation: "Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain."
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